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Let me offer you a few thoughts about the future /nsa/ People were talking about how the latest South park episode was pretty good (and it was, they did something original for once instead of regurgitating pop culture as they have been doing since season 4) here is the episode http://www.wootly.ch/?v=YJUEEEE4 It made me think about the future of discussion boards. If in the near future, someone is able to code a bot that either a) has some primal AI capabilities to keep an argumentative conversation going on or b) a much simpler concept, a bot that picks up on some key words and posts a somewhat pre-formated opinion related to the subject, it will be over to discussion forums. For example, someone makes a thread on Encryption. A bot picks up on those keywords, and replies to the thread with a copy/paste entry it had dealing with encryption. It will be at least semi-related to the thread, people will reply to it, and you'll be wasting your time replying to a fucking bot, with no actual conversation between two people taking place. Ad-bots already do this by commenting on blogs things such as "nice article, I wrote something similar myself here (insert ad link)", but it is very rudimentary. But in a few years, people may do a huge deal of damage to discussion boards with bots, especially on anonymous forums like here, where telling who is a bot and who isn't is not possible since it is anonymous. pro tip: this thread may have been created by a bot I coded that will post this on different boards. The replies on this thread will come randomly from the bot as well replying to itself by picking up keywords. You may be the only actual person browsing and replying to this thread


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>>3193 if a bot is smart enough to make answers that are not recognisably pre made, then I would essentially consider it to be on par with human :/ as human discussion are simply a set of concepts learned (written) from our past with an active processor (brain) to combine them in appropriate ways, I would then have to treat said bot as a normal poster. of course if the bot is noticeably a set of instructions then it won't even matter. flag as spam etc etc

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>>3196 >then I would essentially consider it to be on par with human In an argumentative way? Yes, maybe. But that is not a real person you are talking with - a robot has no political power, no political ties, it does not make a difference in the real world. Imagine a reddit board where 100% of the posts are from feminist bots, and you spend your day there trying to persuade them otherwise (when they are programmed to not agree with you). See what I mean? You are 100% wasting your time here. And that is a very, very good way to disrupt anonymous discussion forums - bot them the fuck up, and people will feel there is no point in discussing/replying to people since they may not be talking to people at all. The only way to keep an anonymous chan alive would be to enforce real IDs so you know the person posting is a human.

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>>3197 if you have an infallible argument that these bots are programmed to disagree with and you have stated your argument in such a way that no reasonable person could disagree then you 1: notice that this forum/site is full of retards and is not worth your time, 2: can state freely that these people are "bots" and 3: quite easily show that the argument these bots choose is one that has bad stigma as it requires people to make bots and flood forums to win approval

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>>3193 >this thread may have been created by a bot I coded that will post this on different boards. The replies on this thread will come randomly from the bot as well replying to itself by picking up keywords. >implying you can code a shit

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>>3197 >The only way to keep an anonymous chan alive would be to enforce real IDs so you know the person posting is a human. You've gotta be shitting me!! Government shill pls fuck off.

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>>3203 >government shill fuck off Anon, you don't get it do you. Government does not need to convince you of anything. They can start running bots on 4chan, masterchan, so anonymous forums die. >>3201 >1: notice that this forum/site is full of retards and is not worth your time Then we code bots that agree with you. You guys are failing to really imagine it happening, so you know how it feels like. >Oh a thread on /pol/, I'm gonna reply to it.. but wait.. this guy I'm replying to may be just a bot post.. I'm not gonna bother writing a long reply to it then.. and this is how anonymous image boards die. I don't need to convince or shill you nor anything, I can just unleash the bots to kill a chan making all threads absoulte garbage when 50% of the posts are from bots you can't tell whether they are human or not

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>>3204 >internet discussions might be flawed due to bots (but not really, because such good AI as you describe doesn't exist yet) >you have to give up your anonymity to save them >from now on you will have to sign with your bank account to be able to attend internet discussions >we promise we keep all your dirty secrets safe :^) >totally not your government :^) Fuck of and die!

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>>3206 You are failing to address the upcoming problem that anonymous discussion forums will face. How do we know we aren't talking to bots when everyone is anonymous? What sort of human test can be performed on a person to make sure they are not a bot, but still remain anonymous?

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>>3207 Because AI of such capabilities doesn't exist yet and it won't exist for decades. The only problem we face are human government shills like you trying to persuade people that giving up privacy (for one reason or the other) is a good idea. I hope they pay you well you scum. If i met you i would pay you for your services with a bullet to your head.

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>>3208 >Because AI of such capabilities doesn't exist yet and it won't exist for decades. We are not talking about actual AI. Just a basic bot that reads keywords and types pre-existing content taken from books, articles, or other internet posts. A bot like this is perfectly doable today, and as soon as a corporation or government wants to put that to use, it will be over for anon forums unless we think of a way to know who is a bot and who isn't >I hope they pay you well you scum. premium lel. Time to take your paranoia pill pop, so you can address the arguments in this thread and not your insane accusations

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>>3209 >>3207 >>3204 why are you not listening to my perfectly good answer >>3201 >>3196 these bots as you call them would either be mankinds greatest feat, or become their own downfall

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>>3211 >these bots as you call them they would be just bots that look up keywords and copy/paste an answer that is tied to those keywords. This is nothing fancy, completely doable right now

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>>3214 YES!!! listen to my answer, if they are simple and recognisable then they are avoided, or they are blocked

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>>3209 >>3214 Bot like that would be too obvious and make a lot of mistakes. You can recognize human being from a bot. No bot is capable to pretend to be human being and not being extremely obvious while doing it. For example i know for sure that you're not a bot.

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>>3215 >>3224 Some bots communicate with other users of Internet-based services, via instant messaging (IM), Internet Relay Chat (IRC), or another web interface. These chatterbots may allow people to ask questions in plain English and then formulate a proper response. These bots can often handle many tasks, including reporting weather, zip-code information, sports scores, converting currency or other units

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>>3225 yes but people still know they are bots

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>>3226 That answer, I copy/pasted a random section from a bot article on wikipedia, that was related to bot/ai/human talk. You replied to it. Now you get what the fuck I am saying, and how this can ruin image boards. You just replied to a simplistic bot

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>>3227 question: will you reply to my following statements in this thread now, that may have been random copy/pastes, and not me actually engaging in discussion? Would this kill the thread if done often enough? Then simple bots have the power to kill anonymous chans

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>>3227 Read my lips: I DON'T CARE you see, if a bot makes a comment that is legitimate, interesting and on topic to the thread then I see no harm in just going alon like usual. As I see it you are essentially just afraid of bots because they are not human? Are you afraid that something non-human has the capacity to imitate and replicate human interaction? If a bot is noticeable and obviously posting bias things then it is recognised and ignored. If a bot post legitimate interesting things (even though it is copy pasta) it still adds to the content of the board, as much as a regular poster would.

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Also all bots can be stopped by captcha (if that captcha is good enough and not pure shit). If you make just some mid-tier captcha, no today's bots will be able to go through.

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>>3230 true It would force everyone in here to type captcha all the time tho

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>>3229 >If a bot post legitimate interesting things (even though it is copy pasta) it still adds to the content of the board You'be wasting your time arguing with a bot. For example, we are often trying to convince people to use Linux instead of windows. Now imagine if everyone you tried to convince of that in the past was a bot, it's a waste of time

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>>3232 this is masterchan, we don't argue, we reason. Give constructed arguments for or against a reason. The person with the greater basis wins. just because there are 500 people whining their love for windows doesn't mean that on masterchan they win in terms of persuasion. 1 person could make a infallible statement and they would win the entire thread/discussion

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What did I fucking tell you? It's already happening. This screencap from an anonymous 4chan user proves it

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This seems alarming, but I really question the effectiveness of that. For the same reason I wouldn't reply to an obvious idiot, I wouldn't reply to one of those bots.

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>This screencap from an anonymous 4chan user proves it You're joking, right? Anyway, "User Content" is so broad it's worthless. This thread is specifically talking about AI being able to talk like a real human. Reddit got as big as it did thanks to bots posting content from other sites to their site, people know this, but that wouldn't be >a) has some primal AI capabilities to keep an argumentative conversation going on >b) a much simpler concept, a bot that picks up on some key words and posts a somewhat pre-formated opinion related to the subject, it will be over to discussion forums. As the OP envisioned it. It would be like the bots who just posted images of interracial porn all over masterchan. Everyone knows it's a bot and thus ignores it or makes short posts that take practically no time, possibly just a joke. No one seriously argued with the thing. User content can also be posts like "Great video!" Again, rather worthless and something people are not going to argue with beyond a sentence of disagreement, which the bot will not respond to. People understand there are plenty of bots out there, the thing is the OP was wondering about bots that could appear to be human.

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If it is truly intelligent, how then does it matter? Intelligence has been used to manipulate others over the internet since the internet began. It's pissing in the ocean of piss.

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>>3230 >>3231 you dumb fucks if the company palz are powerful enough to buy people to write the bots for them don't you think they can buy the website to let them allow their bots to be operate?