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WHY FREEDOM OF SPEECH MUST END Somebody told me once that freedom of speech is good because everything that increases freedom is good and everything that decreases freedom is bad. But does freedom of speech really increase freedom? No, because as every freedom it is self-defeating and logically inconsistent. For example if you give freedom to nazis to present their opinions publicly on the internet, then some of them get radicalized on such websites and they will go and murder bunch of mexicans (or jews, or slavs, or arabs). So by giving them the freedom to speak, you have caused many people to die. And since dead people can't do anything (and therefore can't make any choices) you have robbed them of ALL their freedoms. So by giving nazis the freedom to speak, you have taken away all the freedoms of the mexicans they have murdered. As you can see the overall freedom in the word has decreased in this case. And there are many cases like this when giving somebody the freedom to speak actually decreases the overall freedom in the world. Another example would be if you allow pedos have their communities on the internet (like cutiegarden). By giving them freedom to communicate you take away the freedom of the lolis they post to privacy. You rob those lolis of their freedom not to be stalked by bunch of mentally ill internet people. In other words by giving somebody freedom of speech, you cause crimes to happen and by doing that you rob victims of these crimes of their freedoms instead. That means that freedom of speech is self-defeating and logically inconsistent bullshit (which is so dumb that only Americans can believe in it) and it must end.


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* overall freedom in the world

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Freedom of speech is defined as thus (if Wikipedia is to be believed): "Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The term "freedom of expression" is sometimes used synonymously but includes any act of seeking, receiving, and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used." Notice that lies, such as baseless nazi propaganda, are not actually opinions, ideas or information. That's just slander and incitement. That's not covered by freedom of speech. In a strict sense, neither are images of random girls. However, your argument for the right to privacy is pretty lacking, since it's reasonable to assume that these images were taken and released to the public with consent. You'd first have to prove some kind of elaborate story where somebody stole their phone or computer, or hid somewhere and took photos of them.

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Also, how are your angry letters coming along? I see that Cutie Garden is still up like nothing has happened. Did you get a reply back, or did the agency just ignore you? You can't just leave us hanging - tell us what happened.

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Apparently Stalin is back in fashion again.

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>>234956 > However, your argument for the right to privacy is pretty lacking, since it's reasonable to assume that these images were taken and released to the public with consent. You'd first have to prove some kind of elaborate story where somebody stole their phone or computer, or hid somewhere and took photos of them. That's not what I meant. I meant that those girls usually become victims of staling AFTER their photos get posted. All those pedos on cutiegarden are doxxing every single loli posted. I'm sure that you are familiar with Mara's story. And guess what... she is not the only one who has to deal with those people.

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* victims of stalking

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>>234959 >That's not what I meant. I meant that those girls usually become victims of Stalin AFTER their photos get posted. All those pedos on cutiegarden are doxxing every single loli posted. I'm sure that you are familiar with Mara's story. And guess what... she is not the only one who has to deal with those people. I don't frequent CG, but you'd have to link me to proof to make me believe that, because I haven't seen any doxes posted at all. Yes, I know of Mara's story, which only went as far as posting pictures of her school. She didn't actually have to "deal with those people" as far as I know. Her nervous father did. That's an extreme example, though - an exception to the rule - where an identity is even known to begin with, and where people then go a step far beyond just posting and watching images. The posters aren't generally posting images in order to track them down.

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>>234961 > I haven't seen any doxes posted at all They don't post them publicly on CG. They share them in their private Tox groups. > That's an extreme example, though - an exception to the rule Wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about. They have doxx for every loli ever posted. > The posters aren't generally posting images in order to track them down. They do. You've just never been part of their private Tox group to know that.

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>>234962 >They don't post them publicly on CG. They share them in their private Tox groups. >They have doxx for every loli ever posted. >They [track them down]. You've just never been part of their private Tox group to know that. Prove it. You're a known psychopath who always posts half-fabrications at best, so you're the last person anyone should trust. I wouldn't even trust a screenshot from you, so you're going to have to provide a LINK to that "Tox group".

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>>234963 >you're going to have to provide a LINK to that "Tox group". ...and before you do that, know that I wouldn't even trust a LINK from you, given that you've suckered people to click on malevolent links before.

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>>234962 Also this.

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>>234954 Ideas should be 100% free. Actions should not. Talking about Nazism or any other ideology openly must be allowed because nobody is a holder of the truth. So we don't get to pick which speech is bad and which is not. And even bad speech and ideas must be allowed for intellectual sport and analysis. Knowledge and free speech is a tool, like a gun, a knife, a medicine which can also be used by a poison in a higher dosage, and some people may use them for evil, and some for good. People who want to censor speech are trying to use physical power to coerce others into only doing what they think is right, so fuck self righteousness - it's selfish and evil

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>>234966 >Ideas should be 100% free. Actions should not. Actions such as speaking, you mean? Actual speech can take on many malicious forms beyond just sharing ideas. Slandering jews is just one of many examples. >Talking about Nazism or any other ideology Nazism isn't an ideology, though. Nazism is at most an obsession. It's a religion based on nothing, that some ethnicities just MUST own certain lands. That's just bullshit. It's a form of insanity. You should go see a shrink about that. It's not a legitimate ideology. It's just a bunch of propaganda born out of the sick mind of Adolf Hitler. >nobody is a holder of the truth. Well, you're in luck, because here I am. ...and at my back are lots and lots of scientists who have done plenty of research on subjects such as if the holocaust happened or not, or if the jews are actually evil or not. >So we don't get to pick which speech is bad and which is not. Yes, we do, because you see, you KNOW that you're just full of bullshit. You KNOW that jews aren't actually evil, and that certain countries don't actually belong to certain races. You just don't want to hear it. ...and that's not "having an idea" or "belief". That's just calling for oppression and genocide because you're insane. That's bad speech.

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>And even bad speech and ideas must be allowed for intellectual sport and analysis. We've analyzed nazism to death, though. There's even now pages like Snopes that you can go to, to fact check things if you're interested in adhering to the truth, that's done the analysis for you. The only reason why nazism still exists, is due to memery, repetition, and corrupt mods on 8chan and 4chan distilling it. When nazism was alive, it even killed itself, in one million after another, until the allies saved it from itself. It refuted itself pretty thoroughly, I'd say. Hitler's insanity was a stillborn idea. There is no RATIONAL argument for nazism what so ever, and by now everybody knows this. Even the neonazis, deep down, know that they're full of crap. That's why they're just dedicated to spreading lies and emotional appeals, instead of actually discussing things. >Knowledge and free speech is a tool, like a gun, a knife, a medicine which can also be used by a poison in a higher dosage, and some people may use them for evil, and some for good. Well, ban "evil speech" then, like nazi propganda. Problem solved. If you can somehow conjure up a rational argument from nazism, then that's not propaganda. ...but the jew caricatures, and the lies, and the cherrypicking in order to misrepresent people, all that has got to go. >People who want to censor speech are trying to use physical power to coerce others into only doing what they think is right, so fuck self righteousness - it's selfish and evil I'm a fascist: I'm all for physically forcing you to not incite genocide. That may not be kind to YOU, but it's kind to the people whom you are trying to oppress and kill.

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>>234964 Tox groups have no links idiot. You can get into a Tox group only by getting an "invite" from somebody in your Tox friends-list.

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>>234967 >>234968 Hehe. Thanks for supporting my stance conspiracy-kun. Who would have thought that we will be allies in this thread. XD

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>>234970 >Tox groups have no links idiot. You can get into a Tox group only by getting an "invite" from somebody in your Tox friends-list But then you've obviously never been in one, so all you're doing now, is fantasizing about what goes on in there, because you hate CT to begin with.

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>>234970 >I agree with you! Moahahahahaaa! Wut?

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>>234954 Are you that retarded looking potato in your pic? You sound like it. There are no Nazi's, ww2 is over. On social media, discussing what really happened or just posting pictures of hitler is banned. Free speech is already being suppressed. If what (((they))) claim happened, why is questioning, or even discussing it banned?

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>>234959 Their parents post (((modeling))) pictures of them online all over social media, knowing the internet is full of child molesters & wonder why pedophiles molesters obsess over their kids enough to contact them irl

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>>234961 Some anon approached her irl, went into her school and took pictures of her, and stole flowers off her bike.

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>>234963 >Link me to the tox group Nice try FBI

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>>234965 >No visable genitalia allowed >No pure nudism GAD should adopt these rules.

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>>234967 Jews are evil. The holohoax is a bunch of jewish lies. >Pic related

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>>234973 >Are you that retarded looking potato in your pic? If you're dedicated to actively harassing innocent people, don't be surprised and butthurt if nobody wants to hang with you. That's how basic social interaction works, aspie. >There are no Nazi's, ww2 is over. Lol. If you want to be obtuse and pseudo-semantic about it, they actually have a word just for you: Neo-nazis. ...but it's nazis for short, since you're doing your best to brownnose Hitler. You're just pathetic whiners now, and so we can't shoot you dead. >On social media, discussing what really happened or just posting pictures of hitler is banned. Your definition of "what really happened" are just lies, though, and the only purpose that you're posting pictures of Hitler, et cetera, is to spread these lies. You know this. You're just lying, even now. ...and deliberate lies aren't free speech. >If what (((they))) claim happened, why is questioning, or even discussing it banned? Because - once again - you're inciting hatred and harassment and genocide. You also can't shout fire in a crowded theatre if there's no fire, but that doesn't mean that all theatres are set up to be flammable death traps.

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>>234974 >Their parents post (((modeling))) pictures of them online all over social media, knowing the internet is full of child molesters & wonder why pedophiles molesters obsess over their kids enough to contact them irl Have you ever tried contacting any of your favourite porn stars IRL? Does that come natural to you? Do you try to find out where they live? Do you think that that's normal for people to do?

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>>234975 >Some anon approached her irl, went into her school and took pictures of her, and stole flowers off her bike. Well, since some people rape adult women, porn should be abolished, am I right? Even if what you just said was true (which I doubt that it is since I haven't heard of it) this would be an isolated single incident, as opposed to rapes of adult women, which happens all the time, and so no porn for you. Not even any images of women for you. Full burqa for women of all ages, for their own protection, because, you know, "men".

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>>234976 >Nice try FBI I thought that you WANTED your imaginary people to be caught. ...but apparently not.

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>>234977 Are you the same poster who whined about "community standards are potato-retarded" just five minutes ago? ...and now you want to have community standards all of a sudden? ...on a board that's fairly against community standards? Do you even understand where you are?

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>>234987 "Oh, just look at that poor child covering in fear! She's scared of the D, I'm telling ya!"

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Why is this place now infested with leftist commie ideologies? I remember the golden days, now this place is just some crazy cunt who escaped a physce ward moaning on about his fee fees being hurt?

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>>234989 >Why is this place now infested with leftist commie ideologies? Because most nazis are pedophobes, and so they left. >I remember the golden days, now this place is just some crazy cunt who escaped a physce ward moaning on about his fee fees being hurt? That description does sound a lot like a nazi, actually, so you can probably grow to like me too.

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>>234989 > I remember the golden days > Outlander You are not fooling anybody mate.

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Even free speech is not absolute. You cannot yell fire in a crowded movie theater, nor can you defame someone's reputation based upon lies. Speech should be free when exchanging ideas and beliefs, and the figurative marketplace of thought can then place value on that speech.